Microsoft Flight Simulator Release Date and Pricing

[ROBERT DUNN 2]

As I alluded to in my closing of my above post # 24, I just viewed Three Grumpy Simmers' hour and a half discussion of FSXX. I stated in my video comment: "This broadcast felt like a really good conversation such as those we often enjoy during our group flights in our local simming community, only without the necessity of actually flying an aircraft."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBO4sJpxVe4

[ROBERT DUNN 2]

Thanks, Karl, for the video recommendation. I found the video contained too much "wow - look at that" and not much information. I didn't finish it. Sorry.

I viewed a couple of Reaction Review (Gripper Sim) FSXX videos and found them crammed with information that comes at you fast and seems pretty accurate. The reviewer is a British RL pilot and flight instructor and his commentary is very easily understandable, altho rapidly presented.

Flight Simulator 2020 | Top 10 features | Full Preview from Pilot 30 min. July 10th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GetBM6jc-xI

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 | Pricing and release date 10 min, July 13th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXUU40t4ZiI

I don't see where the reviewer is a current tester or not (NDA may preclude such admission) but his information is accurate (from my perspective), voluminous, graphic (as in visually illustrated) and, again, rapidly presented. I'm still looking forward to the next "3 Grumpy Simmers" evaluation of FSXX, tho.

So... Hey ho, and Bob's your uncle ! (a Britishism, I guess)

[Karl]

I've watched this game developer's take on the FSXX release video. Like what his eye is seeing. Will have to watch the entire thing later.

[Waterman981]

The only thing I've bought from the MS store was Sea of Thieves. Fortunately I haven't had any problems with it yet. No problems with the games I've played with Game Pass either (knock on wood). But if I had my choice I do think I would prefer Steam. Definitely had lots of problems with the now defunct Games for Windows Live.

[ROBERT DUNN 2]

My etymological confidence is shaken to its core as I subsequently had to look up three of the words used to define this.

[Wingman]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cromulent
Thank you for embiggening my vocabulary.

I was afraid someone would say something like that about the Microsoft Store. I've attempted to avoid it at all costs, but would concede to it if for nothing else than Flight Simulator.

[ak416]

Will it come to Steam, and do I want to purchase it there?

The one and only reason I am hoping for a Steam release is because of the issues I have had in the past with the Microsoft Store and their current Xbox App on PC.

I own both Forza Horizon games on PC and for the most part they work fine. In fact the games themselves are great, they run well, play great, everything you want out of a PC port. But when something breaks on Microsofts end, it breaks spectacularly. There was a period of about 3 months where the game would just refuse to open. You would click the shortcut and simply nothing would happen. The solution? Download any another app from the Windows store and install it. That seemed to be the only thing that would fix what I can only assume was some sort of authentication error that was preventing me from launching the game.

Another more recent issue I had was that the Microsoft Store simply refused to install a vital service, simply called "Gaming Services", which apparently all games that use the Microsoft Store rely on. The only way to install that service is via the Microsoft Store. Troubleshooting this issue was an absolute nightmare, the dozen or so different fixes suggested by Microsoft Community members did not work and I ended up just reinstalling Windows 10 entirely.

Most of my time with the Microsoft Store and Xbox App has been fine, it is a perfectly cromulent service, but when things go wrong it is by far the most frustrating experience I have ever had troubleshooting software.

[Waterman981]

Another option (last I looked it was limited to the US only) is Bing Rewards. Many of us used them to get gift cards that gave us all the Flight DLC for free. With ~21000 points you can redeem it for 3 months of Xbox Game Pass for PC (7000 for 1 month as well).

Also note the one you linked to is the Ultimate one, providing Xbox Game Pass for BOTH console and PC. It looks like the regular rate of the PC only is $4.99 while it is in beta, then will go to $10/mo when it leaves beta. One other thought is there are discounts (up to 20%) when buying games when you have Game Pass. It's possible you could spend $1 on Game Pass and get MSFS at a discount. I have already "downloaded" it, and it's not showing any discounts currently.

Edit, ah 31 days after release... https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/xb...b=pivot:faqtab

Love a game currently in the library and want to own it? You can buy it and save up to 20%, plus get up to 10% off related game DLC and add-ons. Discounts are based on the Microsoft Store price and are tiered based on the game’s global launch date. Between 31 and 90 days from a game’s launch date, members receive up to a 10% discount off the Microsoft Store price. After 90 days from a game’s launch date, members receive up to a 20% discount. For game DLC and add-ons, Xbox Game Pass members receive up to a 10% discount from the day the add-on is released. Xbox Game Pass discounts are not combinable with other offers and are not redeemable for cash; discount offers exclude games within 30 days of launch and are not available with select games; discounts based on Microsoft Store price.

[Waterman981]

How did you get that? Would love to try before I buy.

I got it when buying an AMD processor for my wife a couple months ago. Held off and finally redeemed it last month. Yeah the 30 days for $1 would be the way to try it out. Just make sure to do it closer to the release date. Then have a month of trying it out before you fork over the big bucks, or keep going with the pass... I have to admit there's some fun games there. Of course they distract from flying time. I lose so much due to my kids anyway.

[Karl]

Found this. It is only 30 days for $1. I read that there is a 90 day for $1. But that might be old.

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[Karl]

I got a free 3 month subscription to XBox Game Pass for PC,

How did you get that? Would love to try before I buy.

[Karl]

Really would have liked a native C-47/DC-3, so what are the issues (if any) for add-on aircraft?

-Coast

Hopefully our current ones will continue to work

[Novawing24]

"The maximum number of people have already responded to this form"...

Apologies about the issue with the survey. It seems Microsoft Forms caps out at 200 responses. If you get that message, try again shortly afterwards as I am monitoring it now and am clearing it out as it reaches that threshold.

Thank you for all the responses! Keep them coming!

This info will be collated and released as a summary and sourced in a Three Grumpy Simmers episode in the future

[Waterman981]

I'm debating on what I want to do. I got a free 3 month subscription to XBox Game Pass for PC, so I'll be able to try out the standard edition with no additional cost. An extra $60 for 10 aircraft/10 airports is a great price, but right now that would be buying sight unseen. They may or may not be of the quality people hope for.

Some of the questions in my mind about purchasing:
With the edition exclusives will MS discourage 3rd party devs from creating their own versions?
Will it come to Steam, and do I want to purchase it there?
Do I want to purchase it via MS platforms to show support?
Do I purchase addon's via MS platforms so they keep investing in the platform or directly from developers?

All this said, I do hope we can get folks together to fly to bush strips in Alaska, or go island hopping in Hawaii in some of those old favs. It looks like it will be a blast. Like AK said, too bad there is no RV.

[ROBERT DUNN 2]

I'm conducting a brief survey to see what you all think in the wake of the announcement !

https://tinyurl.com/N24MSFS07

Survey works fine now.

Yes, no, no, yes.

Enthusiast-authored aircraft ? (like Manfred Jahn C-47). FSUIPC ? JoinFS-like multi-simulator compatibility ? Open (editable) FSX-like file structure ? In view of several official announcements and much individual discussion (Redit/AVSIM), what is the real status of NDA ?
(question 5) IMHO, FSXX alpha 1.5.4 is but a testing subset of already being tested build, forthcoming beta and eventual release candidate. Release the sim now, even with warts as opposed to wait half a year for a more polished product. Let the informed consumer decide on purchase vs. waiting. I'll be purchasing Premium for PC on release day but not pre-ordering, regardless of anything.